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	<title>Comments on: Shoveling fuel for a runaway train, by Brian Czech</title>
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	<description>Because the earth can&#039;t afford our lifestyle</description>
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		<title>By: Books of the year, 2010 &#171; Make Wealth History</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Books of the year, 2010 &#171; Make Wealth History]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Manifesto, ed Mark Thomas; The Case Against the Global Economy, ed Jerry Mander and Ted Goldsmith; Shoveling fuel for a runaway train, by Brian Czech; Blueprint for a safer planet, by Nicholas Stern; Corruption, by David Senior; Oil [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Manifesto, ed Mark Thomas; The Case Against the Global Economy, ed Jerry Mander and Ted Goldsmith; Shoveling fuel for a runaway train, by Brian Czech; Blueprint for a safer planet, by Nicholas Stern; Corruption, by David Senior; Oil [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A steady state economy reading list &#171; Make Wealth History</title>
		<link>http://makewealthhistory.org/2010/03/03/shoveling-fuel-for-a-runaway-train-by-brian-czech/#comment-7668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A steady state economy reading list &#171; Make Wealth History]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Brian Czech &#8211; Shoveling fuel for a runaway train: errant economists, shameful spenders, and a plan to stop them al... [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dave Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Gardner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been quite a while since I read this outstanding book, but I seem to recall that his description of the process of marginalizing the uber-rich was just the beginning of the transition.

And if your problem is with focusing on only the most-consuming 20% of the population, you (and Brian) are talking about U.S. population. Could it be Brian was referring to 20% of the world&#039;s population? I don&#039;t recall.

Thanks for bringing more attention to this book.

Dave Gardner
Producing the documentary
Hooked on Growth: Our Misguided Quest for Prosperity
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.growthbusters.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.growthbusters.org&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been quite a while since I read this outstanding book, but I seem to recall that his description of the process of marginalizing the uber-rich was just the beginning of the transition.</p>
<p>And if your problem is with focusing on only the most-consuming 20% of the population, you (and Brian) are talking about U.S. population. Could it be Brian was referring to 20% of the world&#8217;s population? I don&#8217;t recall.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing more attention to this book.</p>
<p>Dave Gardner<br />
Producing the documentary<br />
Hooked on Growth: Our Misguided Quest for Prosperity<br />
<a href="http://www.growthbusters.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.growthbusters.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Nelson</title>
		<link>http://makewealthhistory.org/2010/03/03/shoveling-fuel-for-a-runaway-train-by-brian-czech/#comment-5869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Nelson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would agree that Brian&#039;s book is a bit rocky in the second half. He could do well to release a revised edition to improve that, but the first half is a solid argument against continued growth. 

I believe he does hit somewhat of a realistic idea of what a social revolution in the US would have to look like, roughly, or what it would need to succeed at current (or 1998) levels. Perhaps he avoids the topic of an international view in order to focus on the US - the biggest, baddest consumers of them all. If we recognized the need for a steady state, that would be a big international development (not to discount other countries, any of whom would be just as big of a deal).

Sure, most Americans are using way more than their fare share (in a global sustainability view), but in a social revolution you must make some account for relativity. I would infer that Brian&#039;s meaning is to start the ball rolling, using the majority of the US (who, relative to the US, make less, consume less, than the &quot;fat cats&quot; in power). Hopefully this will inspire more reflection in our consumption and once the ball is rolling it can push us all to a lower consumption, more sustainable lifestyle.

I was inspired by the concept of a social revolution, though I would agree more with your view points on the necessary scale that Brian doesn&#039;t really hit, I still think Brian&#039;s overall view is a good one. Of course, I did name my blog after his concept of a &quot;Steady State Revolution.&quot; :)

Great review, Jeremy! And nice work getting the &quot;hat tip&quot; from nef&#039;s recent blog post! http://bit.ly/9v5pxq

Cheers,
Joshua]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that Brian&#8217;s book is a bit rocky in the second half. He could do well to release a revised edition to improve that, but the first half is a solid argument against continued growth. </p>
<p>I believe he does hit somewhat of a realistic idea of what a social revolution in the US would have to look like, roughly, or what it would need to succeed at current (or 1998) levels. Perhaps he avoids the topic of an international view in order to focus on the US &#8211; the biggest, baddest consumers of them all. If we recognized the need for a steady state, that would be a big international development (not to discount other countries, any of whom would be just as big of a deal).</p>
<p>Sure, most Americans are using way more than their fare share (in a global sustainability view), but in a social revolution you must make some account for relativity. I would infer that Brian&#8217;s meaning is to start the ball rolling, using the majority of the US (who, relative to the US, make less, consume less, than the &#8220;fat cats&#8221; in power). Hopefully this will inspire more reflection in our consumption and once the ball is rolling it can push us all to a lower consumption, more sustainable lifestyle.</p>
<p>I was inspired by the concept of a social revolution, though I would agree more with your view points on the necessary scale that Brian doesn&#8217;t really hit, I still think Brian&#8217;s overall view is a good one. Of course, I did name my blog after his concept of a &#8220;Steady State Revolution.&#8221; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Great review, Jeremy! And nice work getting the &#8220;hat tip&#8221; from nef&#8217;s recent blog post! <a href="http://bit.ly/9v5pxq" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/9v5pxq</a></p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Joshua</p>
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